Do you believe that child pornography and animal cruelty (torture and abuse of animals) would be fully legalized under libertarianism and anarcho-individualism in particular?
Semyon Persunov (question accompanied by a donation in the amount of 0.00011718 BTC)
Answered by Alexander Tatarkov (original publication on Yandex.Zen and on Bastion):
Well, it seemed interesting to me not so much the question itself, but the fact that it is apparently asked by a libertarian, or even an anarchist.
It would be one thing if an apologist for the state had voiced it. We are used to that. Standard scare tactics like: “without the state everyone will shoot each other,” “without the state everyone will rape each other,” “without the state everyone will die because there will be no hospitals,” “without the state there will be no education or science,” and even “without the state women won’t give birth to children(!!!)” should gradually be squeezed out of the consciousness of the unaware through consistent and reasoned propaganda. Much like I do in the video “Why Do We Need a State?”. An anarchist and libertarian should sow the rational, the kind, the eternal, rather than inventing additional apocalypse scenarios that supposedly await us if we are left without the sovereign’s supervision.
After such questions, not only the average person, but even well-prepared individuals should get the impression that anarchy is a paradise for pedophiles, animal abusers, perverts, thugs, robbers, rapists, and murderers. And sane, adequate people in a stateless society will lead a miserable existence under siege, continuously escaping from all this zombie apocalypse.
Answering the question.
My favorite example. Very illustrative. I used it in the video about the right to self-defense:
If tomorrow at 06:00 Article 105 of the Criminal Code (murder) were abolished and everyone were given an automatic rifle, the percentage of murders would not increase by even 1%. Because I cannot imagine who I would want to kill right now. In other words, a person doesn’t go around gunning everyone down not because the state forbids it, but for a million other reasons (morality, ethics, religion, laziness, impracticality). Well, simply put, I have absolutely no reason to kill anyone. And I don’t have much of a desire either… I mean, I have a gun in my safe. I’d have to get up, open the safe, load it, put on a coat, go outside, chase someone, shoot… And they might shoot back for all I know… Why on earth would I do all that???
At the same time, if a drugged-out, wide-eyed junkie were to break into my house with the clear intention of killing, raping, robbing, and dismembering everyone, I would, of course, kill him. And Article 105 of the Criminal Code would definitely be the last thing on my mind in such a situation. That is, if a murder does not happen, it does not happen not because a law exists. And if it does happen, the existence of a law has no effect on it.
Now, to the animal abusers. I’m not entirely sure if there is currently an article in the law providing punishment for animal cruelty, but I have no desire to abuse animals. Nor does the vast majority of people. That is, I don’t gouge out the eyes of puppies not because I’m afraid I’ll be fined 500 rubles, but simply because I don’t want to gouge out the eyes of puppies! And for what reason would I want to do that once the state is gone?
It should be understood here that in a stateless society, the state, its institutions, control, and repressive apparatus will disappear. But morality, ethics, empathy, reason, compassion, and mercy will not go anywhere. The first is not connected to the second at all. Consequently, there will certainly not be more thugs with the abolition of the state. There will be fewer.
And here is why:
Currently, if a person sees someone abusing an animal, they cannot punch the abuser in the face (well, okay, I, for example, might), because the abuser will snitch to the cops, and that kind person will be imprisoned. For the same reason, everyone walks past when a grandmother is being robbed, a resisting girl is being dragged into a car, or children are being raped. Because the state court stands guard over the interests of every thug. And the one who steps in faces jail time in 100% of cases if they so much as touch them with a finger. Therefore, right now they feel completely untouchable and safe, and they not only abuse animals, old women, girls, and children, but also post it all on social networks.
What would happen in a similar situation in a stateless society?
As I described in the video “Lynch Law, Agora Court, or State Court? The Right to Judicial Protection under Anarchy”, seeing such filth, I would boldly punch the animal abuser in the face, shoot the grandmother’s robber, the girl’s rapist, and carve up the pedophile-maniac-dismemberer. Next. I am invited to a Lynch Court. They ask why I punched the face, shot the rapist, and carved up the maniacs. Well, I say: “Just because… they were raping, robbing, torturing defenseless animals…” The judge asks the crowd if I am guilty and if I deserve punishment or leniency. The crowd says: “Good job, man! That’s how it should be! Let’s chip in for his bullets. The man spent his own for the common good! Now bring those thugs here! To the stake with them (on a pole, on an aspen… underline as needed).” Well, that’s basically it. Everyone is satisfied. Everyone is smiling. Except for the maniac and the thug.
Thus, Lynch Law (Agora court) is a guarantee that a stateless society will be not a paradise, but a hell for every thug. They will find themselves in the most disadvantageous position. Everyone will beat them, and there will be no one to stand up for them.
Consequently, the existence of some written law prohibiting animal cruelty or the rape of minors will simply not be necessary.
And in general, “legalization” without a state—what does that even mean!?!?!?! Well, yes. There will be no law issued by a parliament… But that is no guarantee that there will be happiness for animal abusers, pedophiles, and maniacs.
And it’s not as if I’ve just imagined these constructions in my head. Not at all. I had the chance to observe something similar personally in the early 90s, when I had the honor and pleasure of living and working actively in a private plot farm (LPH) in the Irkutsk region. So, there was 1 district police officer for every 4 LPHs (staff shortage). From us to the nearest LPH was 40 km. Everyone was armed (it’s the taiga). The vast majority of residents of the LPHs were former inmates, many of whom had served sentences such as that after which no one expects you and there is nowhere to return. And when, in my youth and ignorance, I mentioned a license (for weapons and hunting), they looked at me as if I were mentally ill. Either to pity me or to punch me in the face—I was speaking in incomprehensible words, but seemingly not using profanity…
Gunshots in the taiga are not rare at all. And whether a bear was shot or a cop—who was going to run around and find out about every single shot? Therefore, the cop tried not to step on anyone’s toes. He came once every 3 months, nobody had been killed, thank god, crossed himself and left. And if he started asking about licenses—well, again, gunshots… And, most importantly, hardly anyone would look for him. At the time, by law, searches stopped after 3 days. Because in 3 days, if not the wolves, the ants would eat the corpse. And if the corpse fell into a river, it was simply impossible to find.
And in this society, there were neither murders, nor rapes, nor thefts.
My favorite example with the pigs. Pigs there weren’t even locked up, let alone just wandered freely around the village. I asked a local why they didn’t lock them up. And the answer was a masterpiece: “And where would they go? They’re afraid to go into the taiga. They’ll be eaten there.” I didn’t specify that they’d also be eaten here. But the very question was clearly incomprehensible to him. I explained that someone could steal them… And again, they looked at me as if I were mentally ill. Pigs are all marked. And if all my pigs are intact, but there’s a smell of shashlik from a yard—then they’ll burn down my house and me inside it if I don’t manage to jump out. And if I do, it doesn’t mean my situation improves. Because no one will allow “ratting” (stealing from one’s own)!
So why on earth do we need laws and cops in such a scenario? Perhaps it was exactly there, at age 16, that I became an anarchist. Convinced. Because where there’s a cop on every corner—pigs were locked up with 3 locks and dogs were kept on wires. And where there are none at all, and the word “law” has a meaning not quite familiar to us, as well as the expression “settle it by the law”—there, locks on doors are unnecessary.
So, nothing bad will definitely happen to us with the disappearance of the state. All these wild delusions about the rampage of animal abusers, maniacs, pedophiles, murderers, and thugs—just wild delusions. To the one who asked the question, I recommend watching less state TV and reading less zombie-apocalypse literature.